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The Question We Must Answer

In our last meditation, we discovered something essential: The Holy Spirit gives the life of Christ to us. The Holy Spirit forms Christ within us. The Holy Spirit directs the Christian life. So a question arises: If the Holy Spirit does everything, then why do we need Mary? To answer that, we need to better understand who the Holy Spirit is and how He works.

The Catechism gives us the first insight: God β€œmade all things by himself, that is, by his Word and by his Wisdom,” that is, by the Son and the Holy Spirit. (CCC 292) The Holy Spirit is identified with Wisdom. About Wisdom, Jesus says something striking. He said, β€œWisdom is justified by her children.” (Luke 7:35)

Jesus describes Wisdom as a mother. So we must ask, β€œWhat does this reveal about the Holy Spirit?”

Two

WisdomΒ 

In the Old Testament, especially in Proverbs, Sirach, and Wisdom of Solomon, Wisdom is not presented as an abstract idea, but as a person, speaking, acting, and relating to us. There are many different legitimate ways of understanding Wisdom. However, one really rich and interesting way is to see Wisdom as the Holy Spirit.Β 

In Sirach 24:18–19, Wisdom is described as a mother who is the source of grace and virtue.Β β€œI am the mother of beautiful love, and of fear, and of knowledge, and of holy hope. In me is all grace of the way and of the truth; in me is all hope of life and of virtue.”

Here, Wisdom is not only personal, she is maternal. She contains the fullness of grace. She generates love, knowledge, and hope within us. This same reality is deepened in the Book of Wisdom chapter seven, which describes the Holy Spirit this way, β€œAnd so I prayed, and understanding was given me; I entreated, and the spirit of Wisdom came to me. I esteemed her more than scepters and thrones; compared with her, I held riches as nothing. I reckoned no priceless stone to be her peer, for compared with her, all gold is a pinch of sand, and beside her silver ranks as mud. I loved her more than health or beauty, preferred her to the light, since her radiance never sleeps. In her company all good things came to me, at her hands riches not to be numbered.”

Then Scripture makes a stunning statement, β€œAll these I delighted in, since Wisdom brings them, but I did not yet know she was their mother.” (Wis 7:12)

Wisdom is described as our mother and the source of all grace.

Three

What Wisdom actually does

Now we must look closely at what Wisdom actually does:Β She can do all things. She is all-powerful. She is unchanging, she is immutable. She makes all things new. She passes into holy souls. She makes them friends of God. She makes them prophets. The New Testament describes the Holy Spirit in the very same way:Β The Spirit is all-powerful and unchanging. The Spirit makes us new -Titus 3:5. The Spirit enters holy souls and makes us temples of God (Rm 8:9). The Spirit makes us not only friends of God but sons and daughters of God (Rm 8:14-15).

The Creed tells us the Holy Spirit has spoken through the prophets.Β Wisdom 8:1 says, β€œShe deploys her strength from one end of the earth to the other, ordering all things for good.” Now listen to what Paul says about the Holy Spirit in Romans 8. Everyone moved by the Spirit is a son of God. The Spirit helps us in our weakness and intercedes for us according to the will of God. Then immediately Paul writes, β€œWe know that all things work together for good for those who love God.” (Rom 8:28)

In other words, the providential ordering attributed to Wisdom in the Book of Wisdom is attributed to the Holy Spirit in Romans. In other words, what Scripture attributes to Wisdom, it attributes to the Holy Spirit. Scripture therefore reveals that the Holy Spirit acts in a profoundly maternal way, not from the outside, but by entering within, forming, nurturing, and bringing to birth the life of God within us.

Four

A Pattern Emerges

Finally, in Sirach 15:2, Scripture says of Wisdom, β€œShe will come to meet him like a mother and receive him like a virgin bride.” Here, Wisdom or the Holy Spirit is described with four characteristics, feminine, maternal, bridal, and virginal.Β This reveals something essential about how the Holy Spirit acts: receptively (like a virgin bride who receives), fruitfully (like a mother who gives life), and interiorly (forming that life from within).

These four characteristics reveal how the Holy Spirit acts in a maternal way by receiving, by giving life, and by forming that divine life from within. Where do we see this receptive and fruitful action made visible?

Five

The Question Deepens

Now we return to our question. If the Holy Spirit gives the life of Christ, forms the life of Christ, and directs the life of Christ…and if Scripture reveals that the Spirit acts in a maternal way…then how does this hidden action become visible?

Where do we see the maternal work of the Holy Spirit concretely lived out? And here the Church gives us an important clue. The Catechism teaches us: The Church’s Tradition has often read the most beautiful texts on Wisdom in relation to Mary. (CCC 721) That is striking.

Scripture reveals the Holy Spirit as Wisdom, which acts in a maternal and life-giving way. And the Church reads those same passages in relation to Mary. Therefore, Mary has a unique relationship with the Holy Spirit. What is hidden in the Holy Spirit becomes visible and concrete in Mary.Β 

So the question is no longer, if we have the Holy Spirit, why do we need Mary? But how does the Holy Spirit carry out a maternal mission through her?Β 

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Angela Alaike 6 months ago

To God be the glory πŸ™

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J C6 months ago

I agree with Judith Schirz 100%. Jesus says that the Father will send the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him in Luke 11. Also, when He speaks of sending the Holy Spirit in John, He says nothing about asking Mary. You may be right, but is confusing, and it's not New Testament scriptural that I can find.

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Yasuko Garlington 6 months ago

I need to pray rosary 365 days Thank you for sending me rosary prayer daily I am not good at writing English grammar and speaking, I am blessed to receive daily rosary prayer Sincerely Yasuko ( original from Japan) βœοΈπŸ™

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M F6 months ago

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Mary Anne Kornberger6 months ago

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Roger AbiNader 6 months ago

Agree with the young woman. Sounds like a Syriac Father, Mike. Thanks. Roger

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Jane Pastorek6 months ago

This I have to say so far my favorite never heard how thru Wisdom explains perfectly thru the Holy Spirit our Lady’s roll in Salvation history and learning this at the age soon celebrating my 74 years as a Catholic…Thank you Mike and Teresa (sp?) God Bless YouπŸ™πŸ»β€οΈπŸ˜˜

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Judith A. Schirz6 months ago

Dear Dr. Mike, Why must you continue to attempt to force feed this particular truth to your listeners in such a way that confuses and actually detracts from the beauty and wonder and mystery of both the Blessed Mother and the Holy Spirit? I have shared and continue to highly recommend this rosary podcast to many and we speak about them often, but this is the one issue that raises so many questions and doubts in the hearts of many people. One friend of mine even spoke to her priest about something you had said on this subject that he found very disturbing and confusing as well. I don't doubt that you understand this deep and hidden mystery, but why persist in what seems somewhat like an obsession to you and not a necessary truth for most in order to deepen their faith? I deeply appreciate all that you do, but there is something in this particular area you might need to pray about and just allow the Holy Spirit to do His work in the hearts of His children. Judy S.

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Stella Zajc6 months ago

Please pray for my family their health and return to their faith. Please guide us and bless us daily. Pray for peace.

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Carol Capelli6 months ago

What is a "hair ticking mystery?"

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Carol Capelli6 months ago

Is "sinnerans" really a word. What a distraction from the reality of the actual prayer. Tracey, you're disturbing,

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Marcia Mckinnon6 months ago

Very good information for me about Mother Mary and the Holy Spirit, I love this morning Rosary, thanks Mike and Teresa, be with my neighbor with brain cancer, and my friend Donna with neck recovery, and with my friend Claire, and stop all the Wars around the world, and help the people that are sick or hurting, and be with my kids as they travel back home this week, and thanks for having all my kids that were hear, in Mass with me while visiting, guide and help me grow my walk in my faith, and help me to be a good person and forgive me for all that I do wrong, and the stuff I don’t know I am doing wrong, Amen

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Alberto Cintron 6 months ago

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christine green6 months ago

Thank you for your meditation and rosary. Wisdom I very important to our lady Mary.πŸ™πŸ™πŸ™ That are church our lady Mary will be having her may procession at are church with all children from there school. Thursday. Today at are church the children having there first holy communions . The holy spirit is helping us in are catholic faith. Prayer πŸ€²πŸ™πŸ•ŠοΈ for all to need praying for.God bless Mike and Teresa amen πŸ™ πŸ™ πŸ™ πŸ™Œ πŸ™ ❀️ 🌹 πŸ™.

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Maria St clair 6 months ago

Good morning beautiful mediation amen pray the rosary πŸ“Ώ every day πŸ“Ώ πŸ™